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Post by jasaebushae on May 31, 2015 17:27:05 GMT -8
It just doesn't feel the same. ^^; Silvester is to...Honest compared to the Sun im used to. ^^;
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Post by dinoj on May 31, 2015 23:23:50 GMT -8
hahhahaha but Silvie is the original XD I like them both and actually if you think about it, I feel like Silvie is pretty cunning and crafty also, I mean he does somewhat have carol in the palm of his hand.. somewhat and, also there will be 39! It can't go without Grisia, with him being Elaro's teacher and all, so fear not
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Post by AkaiiRia on Jun 1, 2015 2:55:40 GMT -8
Haha I wonder which one is the worst teacher between Grisia and Neo? It indeed will be fun to find it out in 39!
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Post by mocha on Jun 1, 2015 3:55:10 GMT -8
Knowing Grisia, his student would have all sort of abilities unbefitting Sun Knight *cough*scheming, ganging up on someone*cough*
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Post by jasaebushae on Jun 1, 2015 5:41:46 GMT -8
Im trying to make an active effort to forget the sequel is a thing, so i have more anticipation over how the current volume will end. ^^; Though that does bring up a good point I had overlooked.
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Post by CherryChimchim on Jun 5, 2015 20:58:04 GMT -8
How does magic work in LSK?
There is a specific case that I would really like to understand. At the beginning of V2 (wow, that was such a long time ago) when Sun was singing the Hymn of the God of Light, he released a lot of Holy Light that was blinding to everyone except him. But in V4 when he lost his memories, he thought he could conceal his face by gathering the holy element and masking his face with it because that made him unable to "see". So are Holy Light and the Holy Element different concepts? He also started covering his hair with holy element, which made it look golden...so is holy element golden coloured? If so, when he masked his face with it (that was a very thick layer too) why didn't anyone say anything about it? I mean, if holy element is golden/glows, wouldn't his face have been so bright that he would have given them away to the guards that night?
Also, as a side question, how many elements are there and what spells can be used with it?
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Post by jasaebushae on Jun 6, 2015 9:35:17 GMT -8
From what I can gather, there is at least ten and possibly twelve elements in total. (The knights more or less corespond to the elements.)
Most people cannot see elements and their makeup like Grisla can, so for everyone else it is carefully using formula, chants and study to bring about a specific desired effect. Thus its similar to tabletop RPGs where a wizard must learn a skill from a book to know it, and cant just learn it on their own.
Grisla, being different, has the ability to see the raw magic as it actually is and control it through will. This is the vital clue as for the normal wizard, casting a spell to summon a pillar of flame or a spell to create a ball of fire would involve chanting and focusing for several minutes to produce the spell.
For Grisla, he would see both spells as fire element being gathered, even though they both have different effects, and he would simply need to gather said element to produce whatever spell he wishes.
Thus, when Grisla is casting ANY holy spell, he is gathering holy element to create a desired effect. Be it healing, creating an illusion, or forming a ball of light.
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Post by CherryChimchim on Jun 8, 2015 2:45:47 GMT -8
Not sure if this should go here, but the Objection Game made me think of a very interesting question. If the Sun Emperor from No Hero competed against the 38th generation Sun Knight, who would come out as the most manipulative Chessmaster? (I don't mean the board game)
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Post by Trespasserby on Jun 8, 2015 16:28:05 GMT -8
How does magic work in LSK? There is a specific case that I would really like to understand. At the beginning of V2 (wow, that was such a long time ago) when Sun was singing the Hymn of the God of Light, he released a lot of Holy Light that was blinding to everyone except him. But in V4 when he lost his memories, he thought he could conceal his face by gathering the holy element and masking his face with it because that made him unable to "see". So are Holy Light and the Holy Element different concepts? He also started covering his hair with holy element, which made it look golden...so is holy element golden coloured? If so, when he masked his face with it (that was a very thick layer too) why didn't anyone say anything about it? I mean, if holy element is golden/glows, wouldn't his face have been so bright that he would have given them away to the guards that night? Also, as a side question, how many elements are there and what spells can be used with it? Trying to add more to jasaebushae's answer to those questions. (Sorry for skipping the Chessmaster question, but I have no idea what that references...)
As I can remember, there are these elements in the LSK universe: Holy, Dark, Water, Fire, Wind, Lightning, Earth, Metal Not each of the Twelve Holy Knights correspond to an element. The Cloud, Leaf, Moon, Stone, Judgment, and Hell Knights (except the 38th generation's Hell Knight has a strong affinity for the dark element), are not directly associated with a particular element. For example, Stone has traces of earth and metal elements, if I remember correctly, not a specific "stone" element. I'm also not entirely sure if the Metal Knight has anything to do with the metal element, actually.
I think that for normal people, the element has to be pure and in high quantities for it to be seen by the naked eye. As jasaebushae said, Grisia can see the raw elements that make up something and he can notice the elements in much smaller quantities than a normal person can. Some elements seem to have a specific color to them. I think the holy element is just normally golden-colored in high quantities, but doesn't glow unless it's purposefully converted to light.
Since Grisia has extremely good control over the elements and can even see small quantities of it, it is much easier for him to manipulate the elements how he wants to. A regular mage would mostly have issues gathering enough element and their control over the element they've collected limits what they can do with it. Spells probably help to augment their gathering ability and their control over an element for a specific purpose. Grisia still needed to chant to turn the holy element he gathered into an Advanced Heal, so the control needed to convert the holy element into healing light probably was high enough that he needed the incantation for help.
Hm... But thinking about it, since people with high amounts of the holy element in their bodies don't need to consciously turn that element into healing light to receive the benefits of super resilience, holy element probably has some natural healing abilities on its own, but would be more efficient if the holy element is fully converted in a healing spell.
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Post by CherryChimchim on Jun 8, 2015 22:25:11 GMT -8
Ah, to clarify my previous question, by "Chessmaster" I meant to ask who would be better at manipulating people and orchestrating events so that they would ultimately win ( or just who would be the ultimate mastermind behind everything). I intended to ask who would be the most manipulative, despicable bastard, but then Grisia would win by that description alone.
(I seem to remember it being mentioned somewhere that there was an ice element. Is that just a sub-form of water, or is it a separate form?)
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Post by Trespasserby on Jun 8, 2015 22:40:30 GMT -8
The ice element is a basically the water element. Grisia just gathers and freezes the water element when he wants ice.
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Post by moonleaf on Jun 9, 2015 11:16:37 GMT -8
There is stone element, since the text in the book was out of stone element.
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Post by mocha on Jun 9, 2015 16:31:24 GMT -8
The Storm Knight need to dye his hair blue.. How about Leaf Knight, Ice Knight, and Cloud Knight? For Ice,.. does that mean that every Ice candidate must be albino?
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Post by nimue on Jun 10, 2015 2:56:41 GMT -8
Hmm...Ceo, it's mentioned, both in the novels and the manga that most Storm Knights died from over-dyeing their hair, out of ten, it would be eight to ten most of them died from it. Leaf Knight, the original Leaf Knight was an elf, I think there is an elven candidate or two, the novels don't state that elves cannot not have transforming abilities. It states that the elves and dark elves hate each other, that the dark elves are horrible. And from what I've gotten from above, it seems like the holy element would be ideal for illusion, and Elmairy, while certainly not the most proficient (or clever in Female Warrior), could use it? I mean, he would still need to, but the hair dye would provide a base colour to work off, and Elmairy, being the considerate person, shares this with the other hair-needs-dyeing-Knights. I...sorry, this wouldn't work for Cloud so much as he shows extreme reaction to the holy light when he tails Grisia to the inn where Aldrizzt, Pink and Neo reside. Well, Aldrizzt resides there, Neo hides but later appears and Pink pops by to teach him I think? I definitely think that Ceo forgot it, and that his spirit is already too drained, his holy light gone into making sure he even lives, pfft~ oh that reminds me.. lucathia you must rest more~ And I wanna see Gothic Lolita~ And not become Ceo in his hazy-deathlike state. You will not be able to find a Roland like Ceo did. Ice, I think his hair was already white? I think it already was to be honest, and that he coats his hair with the ice element, creating that white-bluish effect? Since Ecilan's proficiency lies within ice, I think some already gathers around him, and he simply molds it to his purposes? It is said that he already displayed a talent in that area when he was selected. I think it's more of a statement, the hair to be honest, and oh god, that collar of Ecilan's...*squeals* like he's one of my favourite characters XP, and he is one damn fine specimen. I think Cloud dyes it, like a lot. I think he heard his Teacher's orders, misinterpreted that he wanted Demos' hair permanently and Demos diligently found a recipe that both revitalized and kept his healthy hair that way. He was never found, so Ceo never had the opportunity to ask him...does that answer your question mocha
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Post by mocha on Jun 10, 2015 19:13:08 GMT -8
Thanks for the explanation! Poor Ceo.. Hmm.. what do you think Neo reaction to Grisia killed by Pink
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