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Post by CherryChimchim on Jul 17, 2015 20:22:52 GMT -8
OBJECTION! Roland would be unsuitable for the position as though his sword-fighting might be unmatched by anyone, he lacks the character that Grisia has. Besides, he has not gone through teacher Neo's special training, and would thus be unable to maintain the Sun Knight's image. Besides, he has always had qualms about being an undead roaming the Church of the God of Light, he would not dare take the position of the Sun Knight.
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Post by nimue on Jul 18, 2015 1:32:56 GMT -8
OBJECTION! Roland would do what he had to do to fulfill his duty and bring Grisia back, thus cutting his short sentence as the Sun Knight swiftly. Even if Roland lacks it, he will do with an entourage of Holy Knights keeping his character seemingly in check. Also, I am given to understand that holy light can create illusions! Someone would be able to craft an illusion, latch it onto an ornament that he wears to maintain it like Pink had! Once Grisia is back, so are the qualms washed away! As soon as Grisia comes back, Roland won't have to deal with the mental agony! Therefore I render your argument blown to bits! (Also CherryChimchim you are a super dedicated fan of Yu Wo and I applaud your dedication!)
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Post by CherryChimchim on Jul 18, 2015 17:12:00 GMT -8
OBJECTION! The people would not accept him as the Sun Knight. When Grisia was in a state of insanity, the Holy Knights had tried to use someone else to take his place temporarily, however the masses rejected the stand-in almost immediately. Holy light can only go so far to create illusions. Appearances may be easy, however, no matter how good Roland may be at impersonation (which I take to be quite bad due to his character) it will not be able to fool the people forever because it is Grisia's inner character they recognise. And no matter what, Grisia is still the perfect Sun Knight in everyone's hearts and they would not accept anyone else who takes his place. The impact Grisia had on their lives cannot be underestimated. Plus, since Roland's sense of duty is so great, he would follow his duty in being the Hell Knight instead of taking over the Sun Knight's position.
(Ah, thank you nimue *bows)
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Post by nimue on Jul 18, 2015 21:57:05 GMT -8
OBJECTION! (prances up to podium excitedly~) Neo himself would announce it! Along with all the 37th Generation supporting his claim, how could anyone go against Neo of all people! Even the Pope resigns himself when dealing with Neo! Neo would simply announce that this was the Sun Knight! Not the silly, half-baked version of the other one no! What are you even thinking about..? Tsk, have you drunk too much? Hmph! Appearances would be feigned, his short hair would be put down due to his illness, his lack of appearance because of the ailment, and his inability to meet and greet would be simply put down to Grisia's own reputation as a Church Hermit! Inner...character? I'm sorry Clam (I'm calling you clam now~) but nobody, nobody would openly confront the Sun Knight about his imperfections. Have you forgotten this particular chapter? 'No Matter What Happens, the Sun Knight is Perfect.' www.princerevolution.org/knight_v1extra/and www.princerevolution.org/knight_v5extra/“Whether Retired or not, Once a Sun Knight, Always a Sun Knight; Respect Him from the Bottom of Your Heart… Or Hide from Him.”
To the civilians, Grisia Sun may be the closest to the Sun Knight, but Neo Sun is a one-of-a-kind Sun Knight among Sun Knights, and he is feared, beloved perhaps to women but he is ultimately feared. Roland may be awful at his impersonation, but "illnesses" that can even knock out Grisia for six months are terrible. He would be still sickly and out of character, it would be put down as his illness by Ceo the ultimately Gossiper. And also the holy knights in the Sun Knight Platoon would say that their captain was really sick...It wouldn't be forever either, it would be merely until Grisia came to his senses. Roland would understand, because the Hell Knight's duty was to the Church ultimately, not just to the Hell Knight position. If there is a Church of the God of Light without a Sun Knight, it would topple, it's said somewhere in Canon that the Church of the God of Light can go without a Judgement Knight even, if they had their Sun Knight. A Hell Knight who recently came back, and has been only in their post for merely a year or so, perhaps longer, is far more disposable than the Sun Knight! Therefore, in order to keep the Church of God of Light stabilized, Roland would accept his duty and be the Sun Knight! (is quite proud of this argument)
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Post by CherryChimchim on Jul 18, 2015 23:26:58 GMT -8
OBJECTION! If the Sun Knight is perfect, then Grisia must also be perfect too, hmm? Plus, Neo himself helped Judgement with his crusade against Grisia in order to drag him back, and Neo isn't just going to give up any time soon, especially since he needs to get Grisia back so he can have his slave to compensate for the time he took out of his retirement (plus interest). Also, it would not be the Hell Knight's responsibility to take over the Sun Knight's position, not to forget, the Hell Knight is considered to be a spy of the Church of the God of Light, as well as in the opposing faction. Naturally, this would not be acceptable, and may even start a rumour of a conspiracy that the cold faction wants to overthrow the warm faction, thus causing the Church of the God of Light's followers to lose faith in their religion, thus damaging its reputation. This would not be allowed by the Pope, and no matter what Neo says, this cannot be changed as the Pope has a higher position than a retired Sun Knight, and it is said that the Pope and Chasel are the only two people who can control Neo. Also, if this were to be temporary, it would be more acceptable and efficient to have the former Sun Knight to fill the position, after all, Neo actually has experience being the Sun Knight. Roland would definitely be unable to take up the position for as an undead creature, he is unable to use holy element or holy magic, thus being unable to carry out the duty of the Sun Knight. If Roland the Sun Knight cannot fulfil the Sun Knight's duty, then he can't be considered a Sun Knight. The thing the Sun Knight detests the most are undead creatures, so if the leader himself is one, wouldn't this be too much of a paradox? Plus, the dead should not interfere with matters regarding the living. Having Roland as the Hell Knight is already stretching it, if Roland becomes the Sun Knight, it will tip the balance of the world and both the religion and Church of the God of Light will lose its meaning. If even its leader does not have the favour of the religion's deity, would people still be willing to place their faiths in it?
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Post by ros on Jul 20, 2015 14:08:44 GMT -8
Objection! Grisia is perfect! **nervously glances at the unicorn licking a "bush" behind me...**
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Post by nimue on Jul 25, 2015 1:40:10 GMT -8
OBJECTION! How is Grisia perfect? He's hardly the personality a Sun Knight has inside! He's the source of so much chaos! He's impossibly skilled with magic, abysmal with the sword, barely able to stay on a horse, has so many undead friends and has many, many times been the source of immense chaos on an interkingdom-scale!
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Post by ros on Jul 26, 2015 19:15:21 GMT -8
OBJECTION! What undead friends? Everybody knows that the Sun Knight hates the undead the most, and whenever he finds out about them he runs off to kill them... viciously... with his sword!
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Post by nimue on Jul 27, 2015 2:41:40 GMT -8
OBJECTION! He had been raised by one! Manipulated by another! Befriended many! And he has been in the presence of many and not killed them! He cannot wield a sword, much less the Divine Sun Sword! He is abysmal with his sword, barely able to hold onto it, and he is notoriously bad at slaying correctly! Any decent swordsman worth his weight in salt would be able to see it!
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Post by CherryChimchim on Jul 31, 2015 2:12:58 GMT -8
OBJECTION! Even if Grisia's swordsmanship is terrible, he is quite skilled in many other areas of expertise, so much so that it would be unwise to underestimate his ability. (The decent swordsman wouldn't be very worthy would they? Grisia isn't really that heavy, plus salt is quite cheap)
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Post by nimue on Aug 4, 2015 0:31:47 GMT -8
OBJECTION! A true Sun Knight would not be the level of incompetence that even saying "not that bad" is a major understatement! The other skills are of course, maintaining the image of the Sun Knight correct? (coughs) This could be ever so simply uncovered, as his schemes could have easily be seen and displayed but circumstances make it so. Even in accounting for underestimation possibility, the chasm is simply too large, and the rumors, leaked quite easily by many witnesses make it so that the Sun Knight image is mainly instilled by the generations that beforehand have been an inherent, unshakeable part of their lives. To not be there is like finding out that water is the reason why we age! (Implausible but a ludicrous example to highlight how important the image of the Sun Knight is to the people. They even said that the Judgement Knight was said to be an acceptable sacrifice for having the Sun Knight!) (The salt part was a metaphor Chimbim)
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Post by CherryChimchim on Aug 6, 2015 21:53:13 GMT -8
OBJECTION! "Competence" in this case is classified as one's ability to carry out the Sun Knight's duties both skilfully and successfully. In this regard, Grisia is indeed an extremely competent Sun Knight, as it has been said that Grisia's ability to deal with issues and keep up the Sun Knight persona are even better than those of his teacher, the strongest Sun Knight in history. Thus Grisia would never let his "schemes" be uncovered, and those who are aware of his true self have no intention to reveal it anytime soon, sothe Sun Knight image would definitely remain safe in Grisia's hands.
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Post by nimue on Aug 9, 2015 23:08:54 GMT -8
OBJECTION! Competence in swordsmanship is essential for even the lowliest of lowest ranking of the holy knights much less the Sun Knight himself! (coughs) He has killed many many citizens, innocent or not so innocent it does not matter. He alone made the order for the death of five hundred people. and while I concede slightly for the successfully. He has maintained the image for three years, but skillfully? He is barely able to stay astride a horse faster than a canter, or wield a sword without it shooting out of his hand and nearly hurting his own brothers! His ability is not so much as the generations of golden haired and blue eyed, ivory skinned Sun Knights before him, belief is something that is insanely hard to instill in somebody and it wavers, but once instilled, is impossibly hard to wreak. His manner of which dealing is sinfully unlike the persona he presents, thus making him only a shell of the Sun Knight. Dig a little deeper and you'll find many a terrible deed he has done.
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Post by CherryChimchim on Aug 13, 2015 22:04:29 GMT -8
OBJECTION! When has Grisia ever killed anyone intentionally? {Spoiler!}plus the five-hundred people didn't actually die in the end His perfect Sun Knight persona might only be a shell and when digging a little deeper, his true personality is not perfect at all, but at the very centre, his loyalty to his brothers is sincere and an essential part of him, and that is what makes him more of a Sun Knight than anyone else (apart from Silvie, but since he is THE Sun Knight, he doesn't count). Riding a horse, wielding a sword and all other appearances only barely scratch the surface of what being a Sun Knight truly means, and from the very beginning as a child, Grisia has been that Sun Knight.
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Post by nimue on Aug 18, 2015 21:46:25 GMT -8
OBJECTION (WHAT?) You don't just say that. Ever. {casually goes off and weeps} His loyalty? Sure. You count loyalty as stabbing someone? Even if you don't know someone would you without a single shred of remorse hurt them? I doubt that. I really, really do. Hah! Grisia is barely the Sun Knight in all but appearance. A knight is someone who can wield a sword well, ride swiftly, is loyal and chivalrous and kind and genuinely something is that is earnt through blood and sweat and tears. What does Sun Knight have in it? Right, Knight. That's what makes me doubt him even now.
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